Speaker 3: 0:00

So you want to launch a subscription box and don't know where to start, girl, you are in the right place. I'm Julie ball and I'm Renee Gonzalez, your host here at subscription box basics, a podcast for new and aspiring subscription box entrepreneurs wanting to avoid overwhelm. So grab a coffee, some pen and paper, and let's have some fun.

Julie: 0:22

Hey, everybody. And welcome back to subscription box basics. I'm Julie Ball, your head coach. And today we're talking about a really, really fun subject, photography. And I have one of my besties on with me today, Becca Bond from subscription box photography. Hey, Becca.

Becca: 0:40

Hey, Julie. Thank you so much for having me on. This is a long time in the making and I am So excited to finally be able to connect with you and your audience in this way.

Speaker 2: 0:50

Oh, yeah. Okay. So we're going to tell our story, a little bit of our story first. Why don't you just give everyone a quick introduction? So because a lot of them are going to be meeting you for the first time.

Becca: 1:03

Yeah, cool. Okay. Well so I am a lifelong photographer. I've been, you know, Working in the photography field, my entire adult life and Julie actually gets credit for getting me started in the subscription box industry. And that happened when she launched Sparkle Hustle Grow. I had been her photographer through her engagement session, her marriage. Yeah, we go way, we go deep. So yeah, I had been working with her for a long time and It was just a natural fit. She asked me to photograph her subscription box and it just sort of grew from there. She pushed me to kind of create this brand subscription box photography. And it's been a fun journey. I am a single mom. I have a daughter now 16. It's so crazy. And yeah, it's been fun. This, version of photography has allowed me flexibility and time to hang out with Willow, my daughter, and help brands create. A visual identity that looks professional and polished and the idea for the course that we'll be talking about today was actually born. I want to say, I don't know. What do you think, Julie? How many years ago did I first at least at least 3? Yeah, I think even before that it was in my head. Where, you know, I'm photographing subscription boxes for brands, but not everybody is in a place to hire out a photographer yet, especially if you're just starting out. And photography is extremely important in growing your business. Obviously, if you're everything you're doing is online and that's the only interaction that your market has with your products, photography shows who you are. So I wanted to create something that would help, especially the beginners or the new brands. have a way to present themselves online as professional and valuable and make everything look good and sparkly so that one day they could eventually, you know, hopefully hire a photographer. And if that's the case we would love to be considered at subscription box photography.

Speaker 2: 3:19

Love it. Okay. And so in today's episode, we're going to share some photography tips that you can implement. Right now to make a massive difference in DIY photography. Then at the end, we're going to share about the new course that Becca has put together for those who want to go a little deeper. And of course we have a special code for you so you can save on that course enrollment, but. Let's stay focused for first, before we talk about that, let's talk about some photography tips and I'll share you guys. She is professionally trained. Like she went to school for this. She found herself in New York city afterwards doing like meet your shoots. Like she has done portrait photography for a lot of families as well, including ours. And she kind of mentioned that, but I want to tell you. The real story behind it. So Kenny and I my husband, we moved to Rock Hill in 2008. We bought a house three doors down from Becca. Little did we know how close we would get, but it started out on such a good foot because Becca and her husband at the time and her baby at the time, Willow was so little. I think you were carrying her. Yeah. She

Becca: 4:26

was like six or nine months old when you all moved in. Yeah.

Speaker 2: 4:30

You showed up at my front door with fresh. Baked goods and a big smile on your face, like, welcome to the neighborhood. And I was like, Oh, that felt so good. I didn't know we still did that.

Becca: 4:43

Well, I heard the grapevine that you all were a bunch of really cool people that I would get along with. So before I delivered the cookies, I'd been hearing you need to meet Julie. And Kenny, they, you would love them. You guys would get along so well. So I'm like, okay, I need to make a good impression on her. Didn't Willow

Speaker 2: 5:01

have like a Steelers onesie on or something? Oh yeah. She

Becca: 5:04

was full on Steelers and you're a Steelers fan.

Speaker 2: 5:08

Did you know I was a Steelers fan?

Becca: 5:10

I don't know, actually, at the time of finding you. Taylor Spanner was

Speaker 2: 5:13

just a crazy

Becca: 5:14

coincidence.

Speaker 2: 5:15

It was perfect. I loved it so much. Because I was like, oh, she's my people. So, over the years, you know, Becca and I got to know each other as friends. And, you know, we've hired her to Take photos of all the important milestones of our lives. So engagement, she also went back to Pennsylvania with us for our wedding and she was like a freaking ninja. I didn't even see her throughout the wedding, but she had all these amazing photographs to document that. That was such a beautiful wedding too. Thank you. And then of course let's see maternity shots, baby McKenna shots. And then as she grew, like, You just have taken, have beautifully like documented the early time on our life. And I just, I'm so grateful for it. So when I, of course, when I started my new business, I had the need, I like, I tried to take some photos on my own and they were okay, but I know how important photography is for product based businesses. So of course, like, I'm just really lucky to have a amazing photographer as a good friend. And so I called up Becca and I said, Hey. Would you, if I brought these boxes of things over that I've curated, will you take some photos of them? And she of course said yes. And as we were talking more and more, it just, it was such an easy transition for you. As I started doing the coaching, I said, I have all these people that are starting these businesses and they need what you do. And so that description box photography was essentially born. Exactly. Yeah.

Becca: 6:45

And so it's kind of cool because the course. In the course, I am teaching the exact same method that I started photographing with and when, when you came to me with your, your first box for me to shoot, I knew how to do it. I was really familiar with how to photograph a box professionally in the studio, which is what I was doing in New York City. City, but at the time I was doing portraits. So I didn't have all the equipment, all the gear and stuff that I was used to working with, but I knew how it should have looked. And I understood how to work with lighting and everything. So I figured out a setup that I could do in my own living room. And, you know, the first time I'm like, I don't want to really invest any money. I don't know if this is going to be something that. Takes hold or anything like that. So I created this set in my living room and it ended up being phenomenal. And I shot the first year different subscription boxes in my own living room in this, this way, and the photos were great. And that's the same. exact setup that I'm teaching in the course. So it's going to, it, it works.

Speaker 2: 7:55

Let's dive into those three photography tips because about some of that setup, we want you guys as listeners, we want you to find value in this, something that you can use right away. Yeah. And, and look at your before and after pictures after you've implemented these tips. So let's start with. The first tip, Becca, the floor is yours.

Becca: 8:16

Okay, so the first tip, and this might sound controversial, but people ask me a lot, what kind of camera should I get? And my response is always use your phone's camera. Nice. And there's a whole slew of reasons for this, and I'll go over just a couple of the reasons. The first is that with what you would probably invest in a camera, the difference between the picture quality of like an entry level camera or even an intermediate level camera and your camera phone is not, it's negligible. It's not really that different. You're not going to get. A lot more. I'm not going to bore you with all the photographer jargon, but basically it's, it's not gonna make that much of a difference.

Speaker 2: 9:06

Yeah. When I think about when you said that, I think about like a consumer's eye, like, are they going to be able to see the difference between photo A or photo B? Based off of this little bit of difference in your camera phone, like a good camera phone versus an expensive actual camera. Yeah,

Becca: 9:25

exactly. And I even have a part in the course, and I don't know if you saw that, where I have an example

Speaker 2: 9:32

and I could not see the difference.

Becca: 9:33

I took a photo with my professional camera, which is a very, very expensive camera and lens setup, and then I took the same photo with my camera phone. And if you're seeing it on a screen, it's not really. There's not a difference. The other reason I recommend using your. Your phone is because you're familiar with it. So it's not only an investment of money to purchase a camera side, you know, camera body and lens, but it's also a huge, or, I mean, it depends on who you are, but there is a, you know, a learning curve there if you're going to be using. A camera. So you already know how to use your phone. I mean, there was a lot of tips that I go over in the course on how to set your camera phone. Your phone's camera up for taking the best photos that it can take. And there are, there are a lot of little nuances there to get into, but basically it's going to do the job and do it really well. I'm going to go over one more reason why. And this is the always, I think the most important is because you have the opportunity to edit right there on site. So what you're seeing. On the screen on your phone, you can compare that to what you're seeing in person right in front of you live and you can make color adjustments, some little lighting tweaks instead of downloading all the images onto a laptop later. It's just really easy to immediately process them and know that it looks good. So that's the first step. And I think that's a really important one.

Speaker 2: 10:59

I would agree. And I think that it takes this huge obstacle out of the way. I don't know about you, Becca, but in our family, when something seems difficult or overwhelming, we drag our feet a little bit and then we end up doing the thing that we needed to do. You know, kind of like how it feels like when you're doing taxes. It's like we don't understand it all. And so we drag our feet. Yeah. Okay.

Becca: 11:21

Put it off and put it off and put it off. Exactly. I want to do this.

Speaker 2: 11:25

Now, this is something that you don't want to put off because you need. Product photography, especially if think if you're a monthly box, you're going to have fresh content every single month. And that is perfect material for your website, social media, email marketing, and it can be repurposed in so many different ways. But if you are dragging your feet because you're like, well, I don't have a good camera or I don't have the budget for a good camera. Well, Becca just popped that balloon because all you need is your camera phone. Chances

Becca: 11:56

are you have that

Speaker 2: 11:57

already and you use it every day. Exactly. Exactly. So that first tip is great and it's going to take that pressure off of our listener's shoulders.

Becca: 12:06

Exactly, Jolie. So we'll go into the second tip that I have now.

Speaker 2: 12:12

I love this tip that you're about to share because it's supplies oriented and they're things that I would have never thought of, but it's going to create stability. It's going to create better surfaces. Okay. You take it away.

Becca: 12:24

Okay. So tip number two is when you're working with a subscription box. There are some supplies that I recommend to always have on hands, and there are things you may not have thought of, but it's something that I use in almost every single shoot that we do at Subscription Box Photography. And that is having painter's tape, you know, the blue painter's tape that comes off easily, and also some either sticky tack, which is that wall putty to stick posters to the wall. You could also use Play Doh for this.

Speaker 2: 12:55

Did you hear that, guys? You can actually use Play Doh in your, in your fursuit. So get in tap into

Becca: 12:58

your kid's Play Doh supply. But yeah, so these two, these two little items are something that I always, always, always have. Right on hand every photo shoot that I do and the painters tape helps keep things in place, especially when you're doing sort of an unboxing shot where all the items are spilling out of the box. Especially, especially helpful if you have a lot of flat products are printed products or You know, anything that you need to fan out, you can just slap some painters tape on the back and side tip. If the card stock that you're using is glossy, you can just usually stick the painter's tape right on there. But what I normally do is just. Give the painter's tape kind of like a little bit of a wear on my arm first, just stick it on my arm. So it's even less sticky and it won't mess up any kind of raw paper that you have when you peel it off later, but that's a really easy way to keep things in place. And then the putty or the Play Doh sticky tack, if you are. If you're shooting a flat lay down and you have any kind of items that you want to make sure are in a certain place, like if it's a bottle and you want to see that the label is facing towards the camera or if you have, you know, a collection of colored pencils and you want to make sure that they're staying where they're supposed to, this is an excellent place for a little teeny tiny dot of Play Doh or sticky tack so that everything lays nicely.

Speaker 2: 14:29

That's so smart. Well, I remember trying to, to do some photos on my own before and the, the pens, they would just keep rolling. Yeah. Yeah. Driving me crazy and I'm a pretty resourceful person, but this did not dawn on me to do sticky tack or playdough. So I think that's brilliant. The other thing was too, I remember trying to, this is before I had asked you for your help. Yes,

Becca: 14:56

right.

Speaker 2: 14:57

Where I was trying to do, you know, I think you call it like the exploding box shot. I do, yeah. Yeah, where you have the box and then you have all these items. Just exploding out of it. Kind of, yeah, exploding out. Well, it's really hard to get things to stay at an angle because you have to put them at an angle if you want everything to fit. And so one thing that I did was. I used crinkle cut and I would just file so much crinkle cut inside the box to lift everything. But then I, once they were lifted, they'd fall right out of the box. So the painter's tape would probably hold some things in place. The sticky tape definitely would have. So I love This tip and I think we should do a little tiny video for it just to just to demonstrate and we can put it on our social media.

Becca: 15:44

I love that idea. Let's do it. Okay, cool. Very fun. So the third tip that I'm going to give today is when you're planning your box, think about creating a cohesion in the color palettes. And this is so important. Whenever we get a box at Subscription Box Photography to photograph where there's been a lot of thought into the color palette of the items, it's so easy to work with. It just makes everything look polished. It makes it look professional. It makes it look like it's been well thought out. And I'll give an example. Imagine, like, imagine a group of, of items. that are in a neutral color family, you know, like, like browns or like maybe even sort of these, that soft pink color that's, you know, kind of muted or just earthier tones, like an army green. And then you drop in an a bright orange pen or something like that. It just doesn't feel like it works together. The boxes that I've succeed, typically they do this. They think about the items that Go together that work together and they plan that box that way. And, and that's something I think that, sparkle hustle grow really did well. Like there was always a cohesion in the color. It was always, and it's not, it doesn't have to be the exact same color. It can just be all, like I said, like all bright colors are all muted colors or, or sometimes there is a color theme that's woven throughout all of the products that are in the box, but that makes the world of difference. And that's something, that goes into the planning phase of the box versus just the photo shoot. But if I can pull that off, man, you got it.

Speaker 2: 17:26

Well, thank you for noticing because it was very intentional when I was doing Sparkle Hustle Grow.

Becca: 17:30

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 17:31

I was very intentional about finding my hero product, which was usually the book. And then I wanted things to fit from a color perspective, but also from the whole theme perspective. So I I've talked about that for years about how things need to fit. So you're not going to put for example, a summer beach read, and then like, Like a winter dish towel, like those things don't fit. Yeah. You take that same concept to the color palette and I remember you telling me years ago how much easier it will be to market your box and how much easier it is to photograph the box when it does feel like it fits together in that color palette.

Becca: 18:12

It absolutely does. It looks more elevated. It looks more high ends. And again, it just looks like a lot more thought went into it, which really it did. I mean, it's, I'm sure it's not easy on your end, right? The function of the products have to work together. Like you said, a summer read, you know, when you want to. Stick with a breezy summer feeling to all the items that we work in that season, but then also visually to make them work. And I'm just the visual person. So I'm just looking at things visually, but that's a challenge for you all. Or the box owners to really think about the use as well as. the visual aspect of it.

Speaker 2: 18:47

Yeah, I agree. That's such a great tip. And I hope that you guys can use that as you're thinking about future boxes, making sure that those color palettes fit together well. And you'll know when you, when you see the colors, you can tell If they're going to fit together, they're not just a hodgepodge. So let's do a quick recap of the three tips. You said one, you don't need expensive equipment. You can use what you have, which is your camera, your cell phone. Number two, use supplies like painter's tape, sticky tack, or Play Doh. during your photo shoot. So things stay where they need to be. And they're facing the right direction, not falling. And then number three, be very intentional about making sure your product curation is cohesive with their color scheme. So those are Becca's three tips. Hopefully you can use those to improve your photos, improve the product selection, and sell more boxes using your awesome product photography. That's the goal here. Yeah, exactly. So you launched a course. This is a course about product photography. Let's talk about that. What is it called? And tell us some of the topics that you cover.

Becca: 20:03

Oh my gosh. So the course is called snap for success. And as I mentioned earlier, this course is a very long time in the making. I rewrote it several times and. I am so proud of it. I think that it's going to help so many people elevate their business. And ultimately the goal of the course is just to sell your products to make more money. Using photography, which is a very powerful tool. So yeah, the course does tell you how to create the perfect lighting setup in your living room using minimal, minimal equipment. If you don't have it already, it can pretty much all be purchased for around 10, 15, 20 bucks total. Nice. And it looks like a studio. It looks, it looks really good. So that's, a big topic of the course, but also I get into a lot of different things like the psychology of photography, how you can use the tools to your advantage when you're selling, how to kind of get inside of the mind of your target audience, what they're looking for, what's going to attract them. I always imagine it like fishing. What kind of allure are you going to use to attract the right, right. People. So a lot of, a lot of fun topics like that. We go over color, we go over how to arrange items. I mean, that's a big challenge I think with, especially with subscription boxes, what separates it from just typical product photography is that you're working with a selection of items and sometimes the items are. Various sizes, for example, you might have a t shirt with a pair of earrings and some other, how do you make all of that fit together so that all the items look, look equally important. I mean, there's always the hero item, but you know, how they all work together in a composition. So we do touch on composition and break that down. I try to do it in a really fun and interactive way. Provide lots of examples that maybe challenge you to look at the photos and see what you like, see what works and what doesn't work and how you can apply that to your own photos.

Speaker 2: 22:08

I love the the course I've been going through myself and like a couple of the things that I really love about it is that you've broken things down into these bite sized manageable chunks as you're kind of explaining the psychology behind it and you're giving examples and it did not feel overwhelming at all. Like it didn't feel good. Yeah. Yeah. It didn't feel like you were talking at me with jargon and stuff. You've really broken it down to a relatable kind of level for a small business owner like myself and our listeners here. And okay, there's this one thing in the course that I know my specific listeners are going to absolutely love and you don't have to give away all the details, but tell them about your workflow. You have this like subscription workflow and really it's going to guide your entire photo shoot so that it's efficient with your time. You're not wasting any time and You're not backtracking and going back and being like, Oh, I forgot to get this shot. So tell them a little bit about that

Becca: 23:06

is so, so good. I feel like this is kind of the gold in there. This is actually something that I didn't come up with in the beginning of. launching the subscription box photography business. It was something that I struggled with and my brain as a lot of artists are kind of all over the place, ADD, and I would do a photo shoot and then feel like, Oh my gosh, I forgot to do this group shot or the exploding box shot. That's the most important thing. Why did, how did I forget that? So I actually worked with a therapist on this because I was so, yeah, so like overwhelmed when I would go to do a photo shoot, where do I start? What do I do? We came up with a formula. That it flows through all of the shots that you will need, or you could possibly use for your, your box. And it takes it through the whole, you know, everything from individual products to the group shots from the flat lay shooting down on the items to the eye level shots. And I provide that to every single photographer at Subscription Box Photography. Everyone has to memorize it. It's really important. That's the, that's a perfect word. Yeah. It's the framework for every photo shoot that we do. So I put that in there, I put it in the workbook and I also kind of talked about it in the course. And I feel like that is going to help so many people just to stay organized and not feel overwhelmed when they're working through the photo shoot, because it can feel overwhelming. You have all these ideas of photos that you want to do. And sometimes it's hard to. Remember everything and figure out what the best order is because, you know, the lighting situation and things like that kind of change a little bit as you're moving through it, but it's organized in a way that makes perfect sense that should make it so easy for anybody to follow.

Speaker 2: 24:53

Yeah, and they can just print it out and hang it up where they're doing their photo shoot. If they, if you have some sort of planner or journal or anything like that, that you're planning out your work, like print that out and stick it in there. Cause we're going to do that every single time to keep you focused, organized, efficient, and come out with really, really great photos. So I think it's pure magic. And I, I would be remiss if we wouldn't talk about that because you were talking about that. Yeah. That's a key part of the course. I'm loving it. And I know that our listeners will love it as well. So where can they find the course? Like where online are your, can they sign up?

Becca: 25:30

Sure. Yeah. So go to snap for success. It's snap for success. com www and you can find it there. And I wanted to give a discount to all of Julie's listeners. Yeah, I know this is going to help them so much. I believe this is going to transform their business. I mean, especially somebody that has never had professional photos done before that is in a place where they can hire out a photographer, and they're just kind of winging it. This is going to show them what it should look like, you know, give them confidence. And the goal is to have you proud of your photos, excited to share them instead of like, Oh, I just had to grab a couple of shots of the solid online. Like, I want you to be really excited to share it online and show how much value is in it and how much thought you put into it, because again, it's like the psychology of photography. It's everything. It's it's how you're perceived by people that don't know you. And it's also your first direct line of contact. To the audience that you want to reach. If they like your photos, they're going to dig a little bit deeper and find out more about your brand, about your products and see how that fits into their life. But if your photos are like, you know, are not. spectacular if you just got, you know, your neighbor to do them or whatever, whatever.

Speaker 2: 26:52

I mean, it's the truth though. Like, it's a make it or break it type thing with your website, for example, it is very clear when you get to a website and it doesn't look polished, it looks unprofessional. It does not give you that good warm feeling that like, I want to buy from them. And the fact is when you run a subscription box business, you have to have box shots. You have to have product shots on your website. So like, this is one of those things that is, it has to be done well, and you can do it well with some of the right training. And I want to say, listen, if you are a boot camper already, if you're a subscription box boot camper, one of your bonuses, Becca and I had recorded a mini course at one point, and that was one of the bonuses. It's a DIY photo studio. This new course, Snap for Success, is far more detailed, it gives far more content, it gives more supplies, it gives the framework we talked about, you know, the workflow, it is much more in depth. So if you're thinking, I already have the best basics thing through that bonus, think of this as that next level up to upgrade your own set of skills. So I just want to put that out there, but you do have a 25 percent off coupon, right? Okay. So that code is Julie 25. And so you just put that in when you enroll and you'll get 25 percent off. Yeah,

Becca: 28:17

that's right. Yeah. And the course is priced, about the price of a single photo shoot with subscription box photography. So, for the cost of hiring us for one photo shoot, I mean, you basically have unlimited photo shoots whenever you need to make content. And I also want to say this, I have had a lot of brands that we work with at subscription box photography, doing their monthly content that have a lot of one off products. And they're like, well, every time I try to do it myself, it looks so bad. How can I make. The photos that I've been doing myself match what you all are doing. And this is the perfect compliment for that as well. You know, if you, even if you are working with a professional and you know that there are times where you just have a one off photo that you need really quickly, this is, this'll give you the tool to have that done. That's a great point yourself. Yeah.

Speaker 2: 29:10

Yeah. That's such a great point. Cause two, I remember when I was running my box business every once in a while, Renee and I would, and I would be like, let's run a secret sale or let's run a flash sale or something like that. And like with Renee and I, we were like, okay, let's launch this tomorrow. We like to move fast. And so we, I would be able to pull together some products for the flash sale or whatever, and take a great photograph to use in that marketing. Sometimes I didn't have the time to be able to send something to you and, you know, have the team do it and then send it back. Sometimes I needed it the next day So this definitely, I'm, I'm. I mean, it's as a small business owner, we wear so many hats too. And so to take the time to get the skills you need, man, it's so empowering. It can grow your business. It's just good all around. Now we do have to say too. If you don't want to DIY, you know, Becca does run subscription box photography. She is still accepting new clients. So there's that option as well, but we believe that they not only make a good compliment, having the skill, some of the skills yourself. And hiring out, it gives you options, you know, so we'll make sure that we put all the links in the show notes, not only for snap for success with the coupon code, Julie 25, but also if you are thinking that you're going to outsource this, then subscription box photography. com. You can find all the details about how she runs that. And it's one of the things I loved about working with you back always, it was just such a nice rhythm. Like I sent you a box once, once a month. And then, you know, a couple of weeks later, I got. All these pictures that I could use in different places. And it just felt like part of my monthly rhythm.

Becca: 30:55

Exactly. Yeah, oh my gosh, Julie, you're amazing. I'm so, so excited to be on here. Aww, I'm glad to have you thought of the course.

Speaker 2: 31:04

Yeah. And finally,

Becca: 31:06

like,

Speaker 2: 31:06

it's been a long time coming and I'm really proud of you for finishing it and for putting it out there. Cause that can be vulnerable, but I know it's going to help so many people and guys, if you're listening and you have photography questions, you can send them to me in the DMS and I'll get with Becca on them and we can share more information via emails, social media. Yeah. We're both open books.

Becca: 31:31

We are exactly. And also I have a Instagram account for snap for success, and it's just snap for success. So feel free to reach out on there as well and send me a DM and check in, show me what you're doing with the tips that we've given. I'd love to see what people are doing. Tag, tag snap for success. That would be so cool to see what you're coming up with.

Speaker 2: 31:55

Absolutely. Yeah. And if you guys take the course and take some photos, you can tag subscription box basics on Instagram too. And we'll be happy to reshare those. Yeah, we, we want to share all those amazing photos that you're taking. So this has been so fun, Becca. I appreciate Jolie. Oh, I'm so proud of you. And I know you're so talented and now you're sharing the tips and the tricks and the frameworks that you've held close to you that can help other people and now they can, they can do it for themselves. So I think it's going to be amazing. And they're going to have so much success with it. Do you have any closing thoughts on or encouragement when it comes to the

Becca: 32:32

leap? Yes. Yes. I just want to see everyone succeed. I mean, you, I, I really think that. Doing something like launching a subscription box is akin to having a baby in a lot of ways, or any time you're creating something like this, I mean, you put your heart and soul into it, you pour everything into it, and you almost obsess about it, and a huge part of that is having it represented in a way that shows like, this is my baby, and it's beautiful, and I'm dressing it well, and taking really good care of it. So that analogy is kind of weird, but it works. So having good photography is, is, is doing that. And yeah, Julie is such a cheerleader. She's she's always been my cheerleader and I have that same drive to see everyone else succeed. I love being a part of a team of businesses, whether it's. through, sharing knowledge through this course, or whether it's through making photos and being a part of your team in that way, it just feels really good. And I'm rooting for all of you to succeed.

Speaker 2: 33:35

I feel so happy to have you on the podcast and I'm so grateful for you to, to like have such this long term. Friendship and business partnerships. And, oh, okay. I have to stop the little love. We could gush for hours. You obviously you, the listeners can probably hear it in our voice, how much we support each other and hopefully they feel it as well when they take the course and feel our support. So, okay, we will wrap this up Becca. Thank you so much for joining me today. Thank you for the awesome tips. on DIY photography Thanks everyone for listening today and we'll see you in the next episode. Bye.

Becca: 34:14

Bye everyone.